You Probably Know A ‘Conversational Narcissist.’ There Are Ways To Deal With It.


A healthy conversation has a natural rhythm, a give-and-take in which both people feel heard, understood and valued. But with some people, that balance never quite happens.

That’s the case with what experts call “conversational narcissism.”

“Conversational narcissism is a communication style wherein an individual centres themselves in conversations, engages in oneupmanship, fails to ask follow-up questions and has a difficult time maintaining interest in what other people have to say,” Natalie Moore, a licensed marriage and family therapist, told HuffPost.

A conversational narcissist can leave you feeling drained and like you couldn’t get a word in edgewise. They tend to be inattentive and lack curiosity.

“Whatever you share is quickly met with a more extreme or more compelling version of their own experience,” said Tracy Ross, a licensed clinical social worker specializing in couples and family therapy. “Over time, the conversation stops feeling like an exchange and starts to feel one-sided. It results in leaving an interaction feeling unsatisfied and empty.”

Conversational narcissists don’t necessarily have narcissistic personality disorder, though some may fall somewhere on the narcissism spectrum.

“It’s also important to note that many of us have been guilty of conversational narcissism from time to time,” said Lauren Maher, a licensed marriage and family therapist specializing in anxiety, trauma and narcissistic abuse recovery. “If you notice that you’ve inadvertently done this, take a breath, make sure that you bring the conversation back to the original speaker and follow up by asking them questions about their experience.”

There are also best practices for those who find themselves interacting with a conversational narcissist. Below, experts break down ways you can navigate these situations while protecting your energy and reclaiming your voice.

Acknowledge your feelings ― but try not to take it personally.

“First, acknowledge any feelings that are arising for you ― such as frustration, indignation, anger, disappointment or loneliness,” Moore said. “Engaging in an interaction with someone who is a conversational narcissist can bring up lots of intense feelings, especially if you’re someone who spends effort maintaining balance in conversations who values reciprocity in relationships.”

If I’m grabbing lunch with a friend who tends to over-talk, I might say right at the start, ‘I’ve had such a heavy week and I really need to vent for a few minutes ― is it OK if I go first?’

– Dr. Sue Varma, clinical assistant professor of psychiatry at New York University Grossman School of Medicine

Try not to take someone’s conversational narcissism too personally.

“Know that what you’re experiencing has nothing to do with how interesting or valuable you are, but has more to do with the other person’s ability to take an interest in you,” Moore said.

Consider that a conversational narcissist might also be a kind and generous person in other ways.

“Look at the overall, bigger consistent picture,” said Dr. Sue Varma, a clinical assistant professor of psychiatry at New York University Grossman School of Medicine and author of “Practical Optimism: The Art, Science, and Practice of Exceptional Well-Being.”

“Is the person able to celebrate your wins and be happy for you and be there for you in your time of need? That to me is most important. If they are a true, solid, loyal friend, you can and should give them grace.”

Be direct about what you need.

“Keep in mind what your objective is in your communications with this individual,” Moore advised. “If your goal is to be seen, heard and understood, you will probably be frustrated and not get what you want. But if your goal is to communicate something specific, find a pause or an opportunity to interrupt and get straight to the point.”

Take a more efficient, practical approach. Adding a little structure to your conversation can ensure you achieve your goal. Being clear and direct about what you need is crucial.

“Set the intention,” Varma said. “If I’m grabbing lunch with a friend who tends to over-talk, I might say right at the start, ‘I’ve had such a heavy week and I really need to vent for a few minutes ― is it OK if I go first?’”

Set limits.

“Protect your peace and walk away if the conversation doesn’t become two-sided or beneficial in any way,” said communications consultant and author Amelia Reigstad.

Setting limits around how much you engage and share can help keep intense emotions at bay.

“If you find that a person is not willing to take accountability for their behaviour, or you feel drained, resentful or even a bit ‘used’ after conversations with this person, then this may be a sign that you need to set much stronger boundaries with this person,” Maher said. “This may include excusing yourself from the conversation or setting a time limit for yourself on how long you will participate in the conversation.”

You Probably Know A ‘Conversational Narcissist.’ There Are Ways To Deal With It.

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Dealing with a conversational narcissist requires direct communication and boundaries.

If the conversational narcissist in question is also a fundamentally narcissistic person, you’re better off saving your energy than continuing to engage with them or falling under their control.

“Don’t ‘over-fuel,’” Varma said. “Sometimes, being a ‘great listener’ actually encourages the behaviour. If you’re giving 100% of your focus to someone who isn’t giving it back, it’s OK to lean back, give shorter responses, and politely wrap things up when you’ve hit your limit.”

Adjust your expectations.

“If the pattern continues, it’s also important to adjust your expectations and protect your own energy,” Ross said. “Not every relationship will offer the kind of mutuality you’re looking for, and recognising that can help you engage more intentionally, rather than leaving interactions feeling depleted.”

Come to terms with what the a conversational narcissist can actually provide.

“Manage your expectations,” said therapist and “Disarming The Narcissist” author Wendy Behary. “You’re not going to get a whole lot back in the way of a real, reciprocal conversation ― the real give and take of ‘I see you, I feel you. I sense you. You see me, you feel me. You sense me.’”

Practice empathic confrontation.

“I think if it’s someone who’s really intimate in your life, you may want to use the beautiful strategy of empathic confrontation,” Behary said. “Say, ’I know you’re very excited about what you want to share with me, but I have to tell you, I’m feeling a little bit forgotten in what I just shared with you. I feel like we moved very quickly from my experience into your experience, and I just want to be honest with you because you’re my dear friend, or because you’re my husband or whoever.”

With an acquaintance, you might choose to simply set limits or avoid them, but a more direct approach could be preferable for someone with whom you’re more intimately involved.

“Empathically confront them and hold them accountable for this very self-absorbed way of communicating,” Behary said.

Use gentle pivots to redirect the conversation.

“I’m a big fan of the ‘gentle pivot,’” Varma said. “You can say, ‘I love hearing about your trip, but before we move on, I really wanted to finish telling you about my new project.’ Believe it or not, the other person may genuinely be interested in hearing what you have to say and want to know what you’ve been up to.”

A person who is not narcissistic will usually reflect on their behavior, take accountability, and try to make more space for you in future conversations.

– Lauren Maher, licensed marriage and family therapist

You can “reclaim the ball,” so to speak, in a way that still protects your energy.

“Re-direct the conversation back to you ― ‘Thanks for that, great point, however, I’d love to share my perspective,’” Reigstad said.

Humour is another way to get a word in edgewise. Make a playful comment or joke to ease the tension of this dynamic.

“If you find yourself regularly interacting with a conversational narcissist, you can first try lightly interjecting with something along the lines of ‘Hang on… I’d love to finish that thought,’” Maher said.

Talk about their conversational narcissism.

“If this type of behaviour is coming from a lack of awareness or habit, then gently bringing this behaviour to their attention could shift the pattern,” said Chelsey Brooke Cole, psychotherapist and author of “If Only I’d Known! How to Outsmart Narcissists, Set Guilt-Free Boundaries, and Create Unshakeable Self-Worth.”

“You can start by saying things like, ‘I’d like to talk about something else for a while,’ ‘Our conversations are starting to feel very unbalanced,’ or ‘I feel like when I’m speaking you’re not really listening. Can we talk about that?’”

With time and accountability, the habit of conversational narcissism can shift.

“A person who is not narcissistic will usually reflect on their behaviour, take accountability, and try to make more space for you in future conversations,” Maher said.

The key is to be honest about your feelings and the patterns you’re noticing, but in a relational way.

“Rather than criticising, speak from your own experience,” Ross said. “‘I notice that when I share something important, I feel more supported when you stay with what I’m saying, rather than shifting to your own experience.’ Being clear about what you need ― more listening, more presence ― can sometimes create an opening for change, especially if the person isn’t aware of how they come across.”




Dear Abby: My friend lied to everyone about getting married



DEAR ABBY: Six months ago, I started spending time with a woman I knew casually for about a year following her traumatic breakup with her ex-boyfriend. At first, we were just friends, but it quickly progressed as we opened up and shared everything about ourselves with each other. She continued insisting we were “just friends” and went out with other men, which, at the time, didn’t bother me. 

Two months in, we started being intimate. Three months ago, she began referring to me, her puppy and herself as “a family,” talking about future kids and grandkids. She asked to meet my parents and made sure I met hers when they came to town. I began believing this was going to be a long-term thing, even though she still insisted we were just friends.

Three weeks ago, she met and started dating another guy. She told me she still wants to be best friends, that she had been “50-50” the entire time about whether to date me but couldn’t commit because she wasn’t physically attracted to me, despite having sex with me for many months. She said she was physically attracted to me sometimes but didn’t feel that way all the time — and she thought she should be. I cut things off with her. I’m extremely hurt, and I don’t understand her decision. Can you help? — REJECTED IN COLORADO

DEAR REJECTED: I can try. The “friend” you were dating and intimate with may be an adult chronologically, but she is emotionally immature. Intense physical attraction is great while it lasts, but in many cases, it diminishes with time. Lasting relationships like marriage depend upon more than that to succeed. Give her marks for honesty and be glad you found out what her true nature is, but also realize that you dodged a bullet. All women are not like her, and you will meet one you can trust.

DEAR ABBY: A friend of mine recently got married. We are pretty close. I was asked to be a bridesmaid. (Unfortunately, I had to decline due to scheduling conflicts.) I attended the wedding, bringing an appropriate gift, only to find out a few months later that the marriage was never legally registered. It had just been a commitment ceremony. When I asked why she didn’t announce it as such, she said she wanted people to think it was a real wedding. 

I’m feeling a bit betrayed, and I wonder how her other guests would feel if they found out. I’m not sure I would have bought such an expensive gift if I had known beforehand. Is there a rule of etiquette for this sort of thing, or am I overthinking it? — WONDERING IN CALIFORNIA

DEAR WONDERING: Your reaction is understandable. While no formal rule of etiquette forbids lying to one’s friends and loved ones, the Bible has something to say about it. Your friend wanted a party. She wanted gifts. She and her boyfriend did not want a legal commitment that lasts a lifetime or they would have had an actual wedding.

Dear Abby is written by Abigail Van Buren, also known as Jeanne Phillips, and was founded by her mother, Pauline Phillips. Contact Dear Abby at or P.O. Box 69440, Los Angeles, CA 90069.


Venting Or Complaining: Therapists Say The Difference Matters


When your partner frustrates you or your mum is on your last nerve, it’s natural to call a friend or talk about your feelings at the next wine night. But not all emotional unloading is created equal.

“Although they seem similar on the surface, venting and complaining are actually distinct phenomena that lead to different outcomes for your mental health,” Natalie Moore, a licensed marriage and family therapist, told HuffPost.

So what exactly is the difference? And when does talking to friends about your feelings about a person or situation go from a healthy outlet to an unproductive cycle of negativity?

Below, Moore and other relationship experts break it down.

What is venting?

“I think of venting as letting off steam about the annoying habits or behaviours that are inevitable in a relationship,” said Tracy Ross, a licensed clinical social worker specialising in couples and family therapy. “And more often than not it’s helpful to have a friend who listens, validates and just understands why you feel the way you do – without judgment.”

Having a little vent session with a close friend can be a healthy way to engage with something that’s bothering you.

“Venting typically involves expressing emotions and frustrations in a way that seeks understanding or relief,” said relationship therapist Joy Berkheimer. “It allows for an honest exploration of feelings and can facilitate personal insight or clarity when approached constructively. Essentially, venting can be a form of processing, providing a necessary outlet for emotional burdens.”

It feels good to get something off your chest and discuss how it’s been affecting you.

“Venting often sounds like, ‘I just need to talk this through – I had a moment, and I need someone to hear me out,’” said Sanah Kotadia, a licensed professional counsellor with Balanced Minds Therapy. “There’s usually emotion, but also a sense of release or clarity afterward.”

Getting to hear someone else’s perspective can also help you see the situation more clearly.

“Honestly, sometimes we need to talk to our friends when we’re confused, frustrated, or even just want someone to say, ‘Yeah, that would drive me nuts too,’” said April Davis, the founder of Luma Luxury Matchmaking. “It can be a way to process what you’re feeling in a safe, supportive space.”

A little venting can give you the chance to calm down and explore why you’re feeling strongly so that you can address the issue directly with the other person later with a cooler head.

Venting Or Complaining: Therapists Say The Difference Matters
Intention, tone and level of emotion can help you determine if something is amiss.

“Venting can be a healthy outlet if it’s done intentionally, with self-awareness,” said dating coach Sabrina Zohar. “It’s about releasing tension, exploring feelings, and often includes self-reflection. It sounds like, ‘I’m overwhelmed and need to talk this through so I can make sense of it.’”

Maybe you had an argument with your partner over something small, like not getting to go to the beach for a weekend because you have to go visit your in-laws.

“Sometimes, all we need is the opportunity to let off steam and we’re ready to let the situation go,” Moore said. “Other times, the venting allows us to transition into problem-solving mode. Venting primarily indicates that there is an emotional release that needs to occur to avoid a blowup, much like relieving pressure on a pressure cooker so it doesn’t explode.”

What is complaining? How does it differ?

“Complaining often carries a more negative connotation,” Berkheimer said. “It tends to focus on grievances without seeking resolution or understanding. Complaining may involve repetitive criticism that doesn’t foster growth, and it can lead to a cycle of negativity that detracts from the relationship.”

There’s a greater focus on blame in complaining, which has a critical edge to it.

“It’s more about being right than being real,” Zohar said. “It sounds like, ‘Can you believe they did this again?’ and usually doesn’t leave room for personal accountability or change.”

Rather than exploring and shifting your own thinking on the subject, you tend to circle the same frustration over and over.

“When someone engages in chronic complaining, they aren’t just releasing tension from the system – they’re actually subtly communicating that they aren’t ready to make the necessary changes to solve the problem,” Moore said.

“For example, someone who isn’t ready to face conflict head-on might complain to their friends about their partner as a way of expressing frustration without having to face their own fears.”

Ultimately, complaining feels like an attack rather than a way to blow off steam. There might even be a sense that you’re putting the weight of these issues on your loved ones and expecting them to solve the problem.

“Complaining goes more to the character of the person and can be detrimental,” Ross said. “It can be disloyal depending on the content and the intent behind sharing. It may backfire – if you have serious complaints about your partner that you want to address, the person to do that with is your partner, not your friends.”

Understanding the difference between venting and complaining can help people nurture healthier relationships.

“While both can emerge from a place of frustration, the intention behind venting is generally to seek support and empathy, whereas complaining often lacks this constructive purpose,” Berkhaimer said.

“Venting is more of an emotional release and desire to fix the issue, whereas complaining is the same story, over and over, with no real intention to fix your relationship,” Davis echoed.

Emotional expression should ideally have a positive long-term impact on your personal well-being and your connections with others.

“One way to tell the difference is by noticing how you feel afterward – do you feel clearer and more grounded, or more stuck and frustrated?” Kotadia noted.

Experts see more nuance in venting, whereas complaining often flattens complex situations into black-and-white thinking.

“One is a step toward repair. The other is a step toward emotional gridlock,” Zohar said. “And when complaining becomes habitual, it reinforces powerlessness – it makes you the victim of a relationship you’re not taking ownership in.”

How do you know if you’re engaging in healthy venting or an unhealthy complaining cycle?

“Venting is often a healthy, normal, outlet for letting off steam that is inevitable in a relationship,” Ross said. “Venting about everyday annoyances like domestic chores, messiness or being late is normal and often helpful. There are things we just have to accept about our partners, yet they still annoy us and make us angry.”

Releasing the tension by talking to friends can feel validating, particularly if they sometimes get annoyed with their partner over similar things. By venting to a group, you also give everyone else permission to do the same.

“In groups of people, it’s common for themes to emerge and for friends to feel less alone in their frustrations,” Moore said. “If the group venting sessions lead you feeling seen, heard and supported, then it’s an overall positive experience.”

You might want to reevaluate your participation in the group venting sessions if the experience leaves you feeling demoralised or hopeless, however. The goal is to process your emotions and gain perspective in a positive way.

“Ideally, venting should be approached with intention,” Berkheimer said. “It’s beneficial when it fosters constructive discussions and deeper understanding, not just about our partner, but about our own needs and patterns. When we share in a way that seeks support and growth rather than merely complaining, it can strengthen our relationships with both our partners and our friends.”

Experts emphasise that venting about someone is not inherently “good” or “bad”. Life and relationships are complex and nuanced.

If you find yourself venting about someone often, it might be time for some serious reflection.
If you find yourself venting about someone often, it might be time for some serious reflection.

“When determining whether your behavior is healthy or not, look at the big picture,” Moore said. She recommended asking yourself questions: “Am I overall fulfilled in my relationship?” “Do I feel better after venting to my friends?” “Am I willing to look at my part in problems and address them with my partner head-on most of the time?”

If the answer to all three of these questions is yes, then you probably don’t need to worry. But maybe you’ll discover these vent sessions are your only coping mechanism and just keep you stuck in repetitive negativity.

“We can easily fall into this cycle of rehashing the same issues over and over because we aren’t addressing the root of the problem,” Davis said. “That might mean you need to have difficult conversations with your partner or consider couples counseling.”

Therapy provides a safe, supportive environment to discuss your frustrations with a trained professional, and with couples or family counseling, you and the other person can go into it with the shared goal of improving the health of your relationship.

“Repeated venting can sometimes be a sign that you don’t feel equipped to bring certain things up with your partner, or that you don’t believe anything will change,” Kotadia said. “That’s when it might be worth exploring those patterns more intentionally – either through self-reflection or with support from a therapist.”

She advised looking inward and examining what you’re seeking when you vent. Is it just a little support and perspective? Or are you feeling utterly unheard, underappreciated and overwhelmed in your relationship? Maybe you’re using these conversations as an avoidance technique.

“Venting should be a release valve, not a lifestyle,” Zohar said. “If you’re constantly bringing your relationship to the group chat instead of the person you’re dating, something deeper is going on – and it’s not just about them.”

Think about the tone and level of emotion you bring to these conversations. Look for negative patterns in your communication and whether you feel comfortable having an honest, open conversation with your partner.

“There is a difference between sharing, talking it through and figuring out what you want to do about it – and revealing serious issues and disturbing behaviours that are red flags,” Ross said. “If you have serious doubts or concerns about your relationship, be clear before you start the conversation, know whether you are venting so that you can then put your head in the sand and ignore the flags, or because you aren’t sure what to do and need a friend to talk it through.”

That’s why it’s important to consider your audience, the content of what you’re discussing and your priorities. Perhaps you know you need to accept your partner will never be as neat as you are, but you cope by occasionally complaining to a trusted friend. Or maybe you’re diving into serious problems that go into a partner’s character or the viability of your relationship.

“Venting can put friends in an awkward situation,” Ross noted. “In the heat of the moment, you may be very upset about an argument, and if that’s when you complain to your friend, it can come across as more serious than it actually is.”

Understand that what you say may well change your friend’s opinion of your partner and lead them to question your choice to stay in the relationship. Consider how you would feel if your friend shared something similar about their partner.

“Remember, venting is only one person’s side of the story and may be taken out of context,” Ross added. “The thing to ask yourself is, ‘If my partner knew I was sharing this, how would they feel?’ While they may not love it in any instance, there is a difference between things you can laugh off and things that feel like a breach of loyalty and confidence.”

Basically, you should give the other person involved a chance to work on big issues directly with you before you go off about them with your friends.

“Sometimes venting is a symptom of emotional self-abandonment,” Zohar said. “You’re not a bad partner for needing support, but if you’re outsourcing all your emotional expression to friends, you’re not in a full relationship with the person you’re dating. You’re managing perception, not building connection.”

That’s why it’s worth getting curious – without judgment – about why you aren’t saying these things to the other person. Do you feel emotionally safe? Are you worried that bringing it up would cause insurmountable conflict or rejection?

“Many people aren’t venting to gain clarity – they’re avoiding direct conflict,” Zohar said. “They’re using their friends to emotionally regulate, validate their side, or make sense of dynamics that feel unsafe to bring up in the relationship. If your friends know more about your emotional needs or resentments than your partner does, that’s not communication – that’s emotional outsourcing.”




Here’s to the mum groups that keep us sane this Mother’s day


Here’s to the mum groups that keep us sane this Mother’s day
Alicia Drabble-Castellano pictured with her mum friends (Picture: Supplied)

At 35 weeks pregnant, Sophie Baldwin is excitedly looking forward to the arrival of her third baby.

And one thing she knows she can count on in the delightful, all-consuming chaos which accompanies a newborn, is the support of her ‘mum group’.

Modern mum groups have come under fire in recent months, with singer and actress Ashley Tisdale writing a viral essay ‘breaking up’ with hers, sparking countless articles, TikToks and Reels about these sometimes ‘toxic’ settings.

But Sophie thinks mum groups are well worth celebrating this Mother’s Day. 

Sophie is 35 weeks pregnant with her third child (Picture: Supplied)

She counts two members of her original NCT group from 2021, Hannah and Amy, among her closest friends, and says she’d be lost without best friend Charlotte, who she also met through her daughter.

Mum to Luca, four, and Amelie, two, Sophie, 33, from Harrogate, tells Metro: ‘Knowing I have these friends is invaluable. Before becoming a parent one doesn’t realise how much you lean on a network which is going through similar things at the same time.

‘This time, I have a support network from day dot which is brilliant.’

The NCT supports 250,000 parents each year in the UK and Channel Islands and whilst not all parents will join the prenatal classes, or get along with their groups, for some it’s invaluable.

Sophie Baldwin and her two children (Picture: Charlotte Nelson Photography)

Sophie was drawn to Hannah, 39, and Amy, 40, by their similarly dark sense of humour. She met best friend Charlotte when she came to model for Sophie’s maternity and breastfeeding clothing line, with her own nine-week-old baby.

Sophie says: ‘I thought I would get to the school gates before I found a group of people who I really gelled with. Instead I have friends I can lean on, whenever I need.

While her friends are always on hand for emergency childcare, one moment sticks in her mind.

‘Charlotte and her partner came over to ours not long after our second was born and cooked us dinner and did bath and bedtime for our eldest, so that we could just relax,’ she remembers.

‘Moments like that are invaluable and often ones you don’t want to ask for, but when you have the right people around you, you don’t have to ask, they’re just done out of love.’

Sophie Baldwin with her BFF Charlotte (Picture:Supplied)

When Ashley Tisdale put her former mum friends on blast, she described feeling excluded by a group which was no longer ‘healthy and positive’ for her. Sophie she doesn’t think mum groups deserve such a bad rap, though.

‘Mum groups, in my experience, have been as far away from toxic as they possibly could be,’ she says.

‘I’ve had nothing but support, kindness, unconditional love, and plenty of chocolate and wine out of them!’

Sometimes, it can take a little longer to find friendship and support though. Recently, the NCT found 62% of new parents feel lonely or isolated at least some of the time.

This was the case for Elaine Gregersen, 45, of Newcastle on Tyne. In 2019 she and her husband Mark, 45, an IT Asset and Contracts manager, were expecting identical twin boys, but the pregnancy was complicated.

She says: ‘I tried to meet people through pregnancy yoga but with my sickness it was too difficult. We weren’t part of NCT but we were meant to be going to London to have a special class on twins further into my pregnancy. However, at 24 weeks my waters broke.’

Her twins, Henry and Blake, arrived in May 2019, four months early, and critically ill. Sadly, older twin Henry, lived only one week.

Elaine says: ‘I was a twin mum and then I was a mum who only had one baby and was grieving, and doctors didn’t expect Blake to live. He was very unwell.’

Miraculously, despite being ‘at death’s door’ numerous times, Blake survived. ‘It was a lonely time,’ Elaine says. ‘I left Whatsapp groups. I had two amazing friends who checked in on me, but I withdrew from everyone.’

Elaine Gregersen pictured with newborn Blake (Picture: Supplied)

In September 2019, after 123 days in hospital, her son was allowed home. Soon it became apparent he wasn’t reaching milestones such as sitting, crawling, or making eye contact and in time he was diagnosed with cerebral palsy, amongst other disabilities and life-limiting conditions.

Elaine says: ‘I didn’t know anyone with a child like mine. Holidays were difficult because we couldn’t go to spaces other children went too.

‘Wheeling Blake in his wheelchair into a park can be quite intimidating because I wouldn’t know if there was anything accessible for him. Although my friends were amazing, I didn’t have the group I thought I’d have.’ 

Elaine Gregersen with her son, Blake (Picture: Supplied)

Then in summer 2024, Elaine came across an advert for group Little SENDsations.

She says: ‘The group was for disabled children and their parents, carers or grandparents.

‘I didn’t know what made me do it, because I’m not necessarily brave, but I decided we would go to a meet up. I needed it and I thought even if it was awful, then I’d given it a go.’

When she arrived, she immediately felt accepted.

Elaine says: ‘One of the organisers walked up and started talking to Blake like a typical child, even though she knew it was unlikely he’d reply.

‘The day was incredible. All the other children were wheelchair-based as well and I started asking questions about their chairs and swapping stories of the difficulties we had all faced with the SEND system or the local authority.

‘We fitted in and I didn’t have to do any explaining.’

Through the group, Blake and Elaine have tried swimming, been on speed boats and enjoyed dolphin-watching. And now Blake, six, commando crawls up to friends made through the organisation.

Elaine says: ‘He knows everyone and it’s life-changing. I know that if I’m having a difficult day or something, good or bad, happens, then I can send a message to the group or ring someone, who will listen and understand.

‘Although each child is different, we understand what it’s like to be caring for a child with very complex needs.

‘Meeting that group changed my life. My sanity has been saved so many times by knowing they are there.

‘I’m never alone now. They are a group of superheroes that I know I can call on, and they are my mates.’

While some groups may drift apart once their child is a little older, for others, the friends made in the first days of parenthood last for life.

Business founder Alicia Drabble-Castellano, 49, from Wimbledon Park, London, gave birth to her daughter Mia nearly 17 years ago. She and her NCT group still regularly meet up, have gone on holidays together and are life-long friends.

Here’s to the mum groups that keep us sane this Mother’s day
Alicia Drabble-Castellano pictured with her mum friends (Picture: Supplied)

Alicia says: ‘I got pregnant in 2008, one of the first in our friendship group to have babies.

‘Because I was an EYFS teacher, I naively imagined I would have it sorted. I loved kids and was a perfectionist, so I put a lot of pressure on myself.’

The couple joined an NCT class where Alicia hoped to learn about pregnancy and childbirth.

She says: ‘I didn’t go in thinking these were going to be my friends but we all gelled straight away, especially when one friend, Felicity, commented to the teacher that she was being misleading by implying a birth with medical intervention was a failure.

‘I didn’t think about it at the time, but when I was in a difficult, 56-hour labour, I remembered that comment and was glad she had said it.’

Alicia Drabble-Castellano with baby Mia (Picture: Supplied)

After the traumatic birth, Alicia found herself feeling ‘fragile and vulnerable’.

She says: ‘Every Wednesday lunchtime the NCT group would meet up. I went and was so shellshocked, these amazing women who I had only known for a few weeks just held Mia and looked after us both.

‘I felt there was a lot of pressure to look a certain way, with make-up done and swishy hair, and I was so far from that, but the girls just hugged me and I realised I didn’t need to put on a show.’

Alicia Drabble-Castellano pictured with her son, daughter and husband (Picture: Supplied)

Practically, having a handful of friends going through the same thing was useful for 3am messages asking why sleeping patterns had changed or whether a dirty nappy was a normal colour.

The group supported Alicia through her decision to leave teaching and set up clothing brand Single Swan in 2020, and she describes them as her ‘emergency contacts, both practically and emotionally’.

Together they’ve been through highs and lows, including school choices, annual trips to Christmas grottoes and group holidays.

And now, nearly two decades on, they still meet up.

She says: ‘We have been really lucky, lots of people lose contact with their group after a couple of years.

‘We just clicked, it was the rawness of letting down our guard and admitting to finding things tough to each other.

‘My friends demonstrate acceptance, unconditional love and sisterhood. They have seen me at my most vulnerable and held me close. They are very special people.’


If You Act Devoted When You’re Secretly Tapped Out, You May Be ‘Covert Avoidant’


Expert comment provided by BACP-accredited counsellor Natasha Nyeke and BACP-accredited therapist Lisa Gates.

If you’ve read, watched, or heard any relationship advice in the past few years, chances are you’ve heard of “attachment styles”.

These are part of attachment theory, which was developed by psychoanalyst John Bowlby. He thought that the way our parents interacted with us as children affects how they get close to, or drift apart from, others as adults.

Broadly, these have been split into four groups: secure, anxious, avoidant, and disorganised.

An avoidant attachment style is associated with avoiding intimacy, dismissing others, running from relationships that feel too close, and struggling with commitment issues.

But it turns out that not all avoidantly attached people have “overt”, or clear, avoidance tactics. Nope – sometimes, counsellor Natasha Nyeke and therapist Lisa Gates told us, the signs of “covert” avoidance can be so hard to spot, they appear like devotion.

What is “covert avoidance”?

“When people think of avoidance in relationships, they often picture someone pulling away, working longer hours, drinking more, staying out late, shutting down or becoming defensive during difficult conversations. That’s overt avoidance. The distance is visible,” Nyeke said.

But with covert avoidance, that gap can be a lot more subtle.

Nyeke says that the person may look “present, committed, even devoted” while feeling a growing distance between themselves and their loved ones, the counsellor explained.

“Covert avoidance is hidden and indirect [and] is often internalised,” Gates agreed.

What are the signs of “covert avoidance”?

One of the reasons it can be so hard to spot is that many of the signs are internal and almost look like extreme dedication on the outside.

“The person may look present, committed, even devoted,” Nyeke said.

“They might lean in harder, taking on more, over-preparing, or becoming indispensable, but underneath, in both cases, they are struggling to tolerate feelings of vulnerability, helplessness or uncertainty.”

And, Gates stated, a person may replay “fearful scenarios in relationships that shift the focus away from real-life exposure and taking action,” or “use coping strategies such as rumination, dissociation, or quietly withdraw from a distressing situation.”

Gates also explained,“Procrastination and cognitive distortions that delay having challenging conversations, such as wanting the ‘right time’ to occur, mean the individual does not engage in the actions they need to take.”

Sometimes, they have an “fantasise about the success or failure of communicating with another person without acting on these fantasies in the real world. Other patterns are not making eye contact, or chronic worry or apprehension about something unrelated that masks the real distress.”

What should I do if I notice “covert avoidance”?

If this sounds like you, both of the experts say help is at hand.

“At its core, this often links back to self-esteem. If someone doesn’t fully trust that who they are, without over-performing or withdrawing, is enough, vulnerability can feel risky. Avoidance becomes a way of staying safe,” Nyeke told us.

“Avoidance isn’t a character flaw; it’s a protective strategy. The work in therapy is gently building the confidence that being emotionally honest doesn’t equal being rejected, and accepting that who you are is enough.”

And Gates thinks that staying mindful in times of avoidance can be helpful. Thinking things like “I notice I’m avoiding talking to that person, even though I want a connection,” can make you more aware of your behaviour and help you to identify patterns.

Then, she says, consider a positive first step, such as: “I’ll explore this collaboratively with a trusted friend using non-blaming communication for 10 minutes and then reassess.”

Be honest about your own feelings, and try grounding techniques if you’re feeling out of control or distressed.

“Therapists may use ACT, Exposure therapy or Psychodynamic methods to explore covert avoidance.”




4 Science-Backed Rules For Actually Making Friends As An Adult


It seems that adults have fewer close friends these days than they did 30 years ago – in the ’90s, a third of us said we had 10 close friends or more, but by the 2020s, that dropped to 13%.

Not only that, but friendships – which research suggests tend to fade away at around age 25 anyway – are getting more expensive.

Perhaps it’s no wonder that around a quarter of UK adults say they feel lonely “often, always or some of the time”.

But making friends as an adult can feel difficult. So, we thought we’d share some science-backed ways to boost your social life:

1) Don’t rely on luck

For years, I waited for a friendship “meet-cute” – maybe I’d find someone with my exact same interests and a similar personality by some unlikely chance.

But science says I was barking up the wrong tree. One study found that those who thought friendship was a matter of luck were likelier to feel more lonely five years later.

Those who believed that making friends took conscious effort, meanwhile, fared far better socially.

2) Embrace the “mere exposure” effect

A 2021 study found that people who sat next to each other in classrooms were more likely to become friends.

And the same seemed to be true for adults in college classrooms – another paper found that university students who came to class regularly, even when they didn’t talk to their classmates, were seen as more likeable than those who also didn’t interact and showed up less often.

Though you might not be in college or school anymore, the lesson likely holds true across volunteering groups and meet-ups like book and running clubs.

3) Assume people will like you

Science suggests that believing people will like and accept you makes you easier to get along with. When researchers told participants of one study that they were going to be accepted into a group, they shared with their new acquaintances and were more positive and less disagreeable.

The inverse seems to be true, too. Another paper showed that when people expect rejection, they read socially ambiguous behaviours – like being quiet – more negatively, taking them as a sign that a person doesn’t like them. In response, they behave in a colder, more defensive manner.

4) Like others in return

You might think that the most important factor when choosing friends is compatibility. But some research says that the number one trait people look for in a new friend is feeling liked and valued.

Further research, which followed new friend pairs for months, found that those who showed affection for one another were likeliest to stay together.

Cringe-inducing as it may feel at first, being open and clear about liking a person seems to go a long way to making – and keeping – new friendships.